mething to that effect. But I hesitated, thinking it perhaps too
strong, and even presumptuous, but he took me up and used the very
words, declaring that to be his opinion. Again, speaking of
Archbishop Leighton he expressed great admiration of his piety, and
said it was so striking that he could not have been a real
Calvinist. He is a great admirer of England and English character,
and he does not at all _slur_ over the mischief with which religion
has to contend in Germany. Lastly, I may be wrong, but I am
persuaded he in his mind abhors a great deal that is too frequently
taught in the church of Rome. Last night he spoke with such a
sentiment of the doctrine that was taught on the subject of
indulgences which moved Luther to resist them; and he said he
believed it was true that the preachers represented to the people
that by money payments they could procure the release souls from
purgatory. I told him that was exactly the doctrine I had heard
preached in Messina, and he said a priest preaching so in Germany
would be suspended by his bishop.

Last night he invited several of his friends whom I wanted to meet,
to an entertainment which consisted first of weak tea, immediately
followed by meat supper with beer and wine and sweets. For two
hours was I there in the midst of five German professors, or four,
and the editor of a paper, who held very interesting discussions; I
could only follow them in part, and enter into them still less, as
none of them (except Dr. D.) seemed to speak any tongue but their
own with any freedom, but you would have been amused to see and
hear them, and me in the midst. I never saw men who spoke together
in a way to make one another inaudible as they did, always
excepting Dr. Doellinger, who sat like Rogers, being as he is a much
more refined man than the rest. But of the others I assure you
always two, sometimes three, and once all four, were speaking at
once, very loud, each not trying to force the attention of the
others, but to be following the current of his own thoughts. One of
them was Dr. Goerres,[194] who in the time of Napoleon edited a
journal that had a great effect in rousing Germany to arms.
Unfortunately he spoke more _thickly_ than any of them.[195]

At Baden-Baden (October 16) he made the acquaintance of