of white men in England and on the
Continent, it seems to me, who would jump at the opportunity of getting
allotments of land in Natal. The Government might do worse than afford
some greater facilities for the importation of white labour. In Natal
there are 45,000 white men against 400,000 Zulus. In addition to that
they have taken Zululand with about half a million of Zulus, so that
there are now 45,000 whites against 900,000 blacks."

"Then, in your opinion, that mass of blacks wants leavening by the
introduction of white men. The immigration would have to be worked from
this end, would it not?"

"Yes, they would have to be liberally treated for the first few years to
induce them to go. Natal, as I have said, is a very lovely country.
There are enormous estates railed off for sheep and cattle raising, and
it seemed to me that I saw more places there fit for small estates of
white men than in any other part of the country, excepting Rhodesia."

Mr Stanley was careful to further emphasise the exception to his rule
furnished by Rhodesia.

"That opens up a very interesting question," remarked the interviewer,
"for emigration from this country has been allowed to take its own
course without much assistance, save from the emigration agencies, who,
of course, have to be approached by intending emigrants instead of
approaching them."

NATAL SHOULD BE BETTER ADVERTISED.

"Yes," rejoined Mr Stanley; "the wants of a Colony like Natal must be
advertised, and its claims to the consideration of those desiring new
homes should be pressed upon the people of England."

"How do you think the white men in Natal now would regard the influx?"

"Well, they must be considered, but it is as much for their interests as
for those of anyone else. If they are as narrow-minded as the labour
party at Durban, there may probably be a serious calamity some day."

"Had you an opportunity of discussing such problems with Mr Escombe or
any of the leading politicians of the Colony?"

"I saw perhaps twenty, but I fancy they are rather afraid of saying what
is in their minds, because the ultimate solution depends upon the
democracy of Natal, and Ministers hesitate to be leaders in any such
agitation."

Although he has already treated the subject of Rhodesia and its future
prospects so exhaustively, Mr Stanley had nevertheless still many
points of importance to touch upon. He insisted very strongly upon the
necessity for offering induce