ther; when I first went over
to the Rules of the Bench, I lodged with Mr. De Berenger in the same
house, for about one month; towards the end of January, or beginning of
February, I had a conversation with him about a pamphlet that Mr.
Harrison was writing, respecting the trial between Mr. Basil Cochrane
and Mr. Harrison; Captain De Berenger was, I knew from himself, employed
in planning out a small piece of ground for Mr. Cochrane Johnstone; he
said that he had a plan in view, with Lord Cochrane and Mr. Cochrane
Johnstone, which if it succeeded," this is what De Berenger said, "would
put many thousand pounds in their pocket; I asked, is that the plan with
regard to Ranelagh, which it was proposed to build on Mr. Cochrane
Johnstone's land; and he said no, it is not; it is a far better plan. I
knew there was a very particular intimacy between Mr. De Berenger and
Mr. Cochrane Johnstone; I understood Lord Cochrane was a more recent
acquaintance, but that there was some acquaintance; I understood that
there was a great acquaintance between him and Mr. Cochrane Johnstone,
and that he was with him almost every day."

Upon his cross examination, he says, I have known Mr. De Berenger a long
while; he is a man of considerable science and attainments; he had been
for a considerable time before employed in drawing plans for the
Ranelagh. Mr. Cochrane Johnstone has a house in Alsop's Buildings, and
about an acre of land behind it, which was to be converted into
something upon the plan of the old Ranelagh. As far as I have seen, I
believe Mr. De Berenger to be a man of honour and integrity; I saw
nothing but the most perfect gentleman during the time I lodged under
the same roof.

William Carling says, "I am servant to the Honourable Basil Cochrane.
Mr. Cochrane Johnstone and Lord Cochrane visited at my master's house,
in company with Baron De Berenger, the gentleman there," pointing to
him. "De Berenger came there to dine as a visitor; he was invited by my
master. Lord Cochrane and Mr. Cochrane Johnstone dined there with him
once, did not the second time; they appeared to be acquainted with him."

Then, on cross-examination, he is asked, when this took place, he says,
"In January the first time, and the next in February. I cannot say the
precise day; there was a dinner party, four or five there. Sir Alex.
Cochrane and his Lady there the first time; an indiscriminate mixture of
company, De Berenger was one of them. I did not learn