to see it, and Mr. Musgrave opened it for him.

_Q._ Except the time you took a journey to Holland it has been in your
possession?

_A._ Yes.

_Q._ Had the seals been opened before that time, before you went to
Holland?

_A._ They had.

_Q._ In whose possession was it during the time of your absence?

_A._ Mr. Musgrave's, and he delivered it up to me again.

_Q._ Who is Mr. Musgrave?

_A._ One of the clerks in the Office.

_Q._ How long were you absent?

_A._ A week or ten days.

_Q._ Has it been in your possession ever since your return?

_A._ Yes, it has.

_Q._ Were you present all the time it was before the Grand Jury?

_A._ I was; I left it on the Grand Jury table when I went out, but I
locked it, and I had the key.

_Q._ With all its contents locked up in it?

_A._ Yes.

_Q._ Were you present when Mr. Wakefield of the Stock Exchange, and Mr.
Lavie called, I think on the very day that Mr. De Berenger arrived in
London?

_A._ I was.

_Q._ Was that at your house?

_A._ No it was not.

_Q._ Where was it?

_A._ At the Parliament Street Coffee House.

_Q._ That was the place you carried him to first?

_A._ No, first to the Secretary of State's Office, and afterwards to the
Parliament Street Coffee House.

_Q._ The day of your arrival those Gentlemen came there?

_A._ They were there.

_Q._ Mr. Wakefield and some other Gentleman?

_A._ Mr. Wakefield and another Gentleman.

_Q._ Who was the other Gentleman?

_A._ I do not exactly recollect.

_Q._ Was it not stated to him by those Gentlemen that they did not wish
to press him if he would furnish information against Lord Cochrane, Mr.
Cochrane Johnstone, and Mr. Butt?

_A._ I do not recollect hearing those names mentioned.

_Q._ Against the other Gentlemen?

_A._ No, I do not recollect hearing that.

_Q._ Did they not state that what they wanted was information from him
to fix the guilt upon others?

_A._ Not to my recollection.

_Q._ Or any thing to that effect?

_A._ I do not recollect any thing of the kind, I did not exactly listen
to the conversation.

_Q._ He was in your custody, and you in the room all the time?

_A._ Not exactly; I was there the greatest part of the time.

_Q._ Be so kind as to recollect yourself, it was only in the month of
April last that this happened, many circumstances have called this to
your recollection since; what was the conversation that passed; what did
they state to him as to his f