th that of Dr. Livingstone as the men to
whom the British Central Africa Protectorate was due.

The interview was published in the _Tribune_ of September 24th, 1899.

Dr. Stewart said:--

"As to the principle politically in dispute, the British Government asks
nothing more than this--That British subjects in the Transvaal shall
enjoy--I cannot say the same privileges, but a faint shadow of what
every Dutchman, as well as every man, white and black, in the Cape
Colony enjoys. Every Dutchman in the Cape Colony is treated exactly as
if he were an Englishman; and every subject of Her Majesty the Queen,
black and white, is treated in the Transvaal, and has always been, as a
man of an alien and subject race. The franchise is only one of many
grievances, and it is utterly a mistake to suppose that England is going
to war over a question of mere franchise. Let us be just, however. There
are in the Cape Colony and out of it loyal Dutchmen, loyal as the day,
to the British power, which is the ruling power. They know the freedom
they enjoy under it, and the folly and futility of trying to upset it.

"No superfluous pity or sympathy need be wasted on President Kruger or
the Transvaal Republic. The latter (Republic) is a shadow of a name, and
as great a travesty and burlesque on the word as it is possible to
conceive.

"Paul Kruger is at the present moment the real troubler of South Africa.
If the spirit and principles which he himself and his Government
represent were to prevail in this struggle, it would arrest the
development of the southern half of the continent. It is too late in the
day by the world's clock for that type of man or government to continue.

"The plain fact is this:--President Kruger does not mean to give, never
meant to give, and will not give anything as a concession in the shape
of just and necessary rights, except what he is forced to give. He wants
also to get rid of the suzerainty. That darkens and poisons his days and
disturbs his nights by fearful dreams. There is no excuse for him, and,
as I say, there need be no sentiment wasted on the subject. Let
President Kruger and his supporters do what is right, and give what is
barely and simply and only necessary as well as right, and the whole
difficulty will pass into solution, to the relief of all concerned and
the preservation of peace in South Africa. If not, the blame must rest
with him.

"I am sorry I cannot give any information or express any view