not given anesthetics to these animals, but they have
been guilty of the last step in cruelty. They have given curare,
a drug that attacks the centers of motion, that makes it impossible
for the animal to move, so that when under its influence, no matter
what the pain may be, the animal lies still. This curare not only
destroys the power of motion, but increases the sensitiveness of
the nerves. To give this drug and then to dissect the living animal
is the extreme of cruelty. Beyond this, heartlessness cannot go.

_Question_. Do you know that you have been greatly criticized for
what you have said on this subject?

_Answer_. Yes; I have read many criticisms; but what of that. It
is impossible for the ingenuity of man to say anything in defence
of cruelty--of heartlessness. So, it is impossible for the defenders
of vivisection to show any good that has been accomplished without
the use of anesthetics. The chemist ought to be able to determine
what is and what is not poison. There is no need of torturing the
animals. So, this giving to animals diseases is of no importance
to man--not the slightest; and nothing has been discovered in
bacteriology so far that has been of use or that is of benefit.

Personally, I admit that all have the right to criticise; and my
answer to the critics is, that they do not know the facts; or,
knowing them, they are interested in preventing a knowledge of
these facts coming to the public. Vivisection should be controlled
by law. No animal should be allowed to be tortured. And to cut
up a living animal not under the influence of chloroform or ether,
should be a penitentiary offence.

A perfect reply to all the critics who insist that great good has
been done is to repeat the three names--Koch, Pasteur and Brown-
Sequard.

The foundation of civilization is not cruelty; it is justice,
generosity, mercy.

--_Evening Telegram_, New York, September 30, 1893.

DIVORCE.

_Question_. The _Herald_ would like to have you give your ideas
on divorce. On last Sunday in your lecture you said a few words
on the subject, but only a few. Do you think the laws governing
divorce ought to be changed?

_Answer_. We obtained our ideas about divorce from the Hebrews--
from the New Testament and the church. In the Old Testament woman
is not considered of much importance. The wife was the property
of the husband.

"Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's ox or his wife." In this
comma